A lifted loop

I listened to a song from Vallavan (y'ammadi aathadi) yesterday for the first time and felt some familiarity with one of the loops. Listen to it yourself (it's ~4 minutes).

14 comments:

The Individualist said...

lol Thanks for ruining the song for me. :p

The Individualist said...

And by the way, a question that I have been thinking about today.
Does argument stem from intolerance?
I know its off the topic, but what the hell - :D

Suresh said...

haha I know.

Arguments, as you probably thought already, arise because of various reasons. Intolerance (at its conventonal sense) is just one of them.
But if we are to group 'inability to accept racism', 'anger toward injustice', 'irritation caused by stupidity' etc., under intolerance (technically, you can) then yes. I think so.

Subhash said...

Idellam oru pozhappa??? hahaha.... But enjoyable.

The Individualist said...

Hmm.. wouldn't it be technically correct to declare that every argument stems from intolerance, then?

Suresh said...

@ Subash - ennaya solreenga? nama polappu naara polappu'nu dhan ellarkum theriyume. :p

@ Sudhir - nah, then we can categorize everything under several things.
Arguments stem from:
ignorance - when one party is not aware of the other's perspective
hatred - when one refuses to accept the other's point because he hates him/her/them.
affinity - when one is obsessed about his/her point of view because it pleases him/her the most.
fear - when one is afraid of the ramifications of accepting a different POV.
bias -
prejudice -
pride -
racism -
elitism -
irrationality -
...
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/intolerance

You see where this is going, right? It may also be obvious that each "reason" overlaps with the other and thus generlizable for most scenarios. So, I think we need to be critical enough to address the sources as precisely as possible. After all, isn't that why we want to have a large vocabulary?

The Individualist said...

Many of the words that you mentioned seem to be referring to why the person arrives at his perspective rather than why he chooses to present them. The why to the perspective is not as relevant as the why to the argument is.
I think I should have made myself clearer with the question.
All those reasons that you mentioned lead to 'intolerance' which, in my opinion, is where the argument begins. Hence, it probably isn't wrong to say, intolerance is the rope that binds qualities like 'fear of accepting the other person's POV', 'refusing to believe in the person's POV, as a result of animosity towards him', 'obsession about one's POV' and so on - and hence, is the direct cause to an argument.
And yes, I understand the need for a large vocabulary to explain things intelligbly but on a whole, 'every argument stems from intolerance' doesn't seem to be a wrong statement. Of course, it is very general. Very. But wrong? Doesn't seem to me to be.

The Individualist said...

And by the way, following your lead, I stumbled upon 'If drugs were legal', another wonderful documentary by BBC. If you haven't checked that out, you might want to. Informative, interesting and more importantly, evoking.

Suresh said...

No, Sudhir, my argument is that intolerance is as weak (or strong) as the other words. Other terms (or the feeling) can be just as much responsible as they are with intolerance. You can draw several statements defining the cause for intolerance and wind around all over again.
What is an argument anyway? A difference in opinion/perspective (perspective, POV, stance, side, they are all pretty much the same).

Read this,
All those reasons that you mentioned lead to 'prejudice' which, in my opinion, is where the argument begins. Hence, it probably isn't wrong to say, prejudice is the rope that binds qualities like 'fear of accepting the other person's POV', 'refusing to believe in the person's POV, as a result of animosity towards him', 'obsession about one's POV' and so on - and hence, is the direct cause to an argument.

All those reasons that you mentioned lead to 'bigotry' which, in my opinion, is where the argument begins. Hence, it probably isn't wrong to say, bigotry is the rope that binds qualities like 'fear of accepting the other person's POV', 'refusing to believe in the person's POV, as a result of animosity towards him', 'obsession about one's POV' and so on - and hence, is the direct cause to an argument.

{{but on a whole, 'every argument stems from intolerance' doesn't seem to be a wrong statement. }} - It's not "wrong" but it's an oversimplification (that can be done with several other statements and words).

Yeah, I've seen the documentary, it's pretty good too. I wish they had more of them up in the internet.

Anonymous said...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wtxMxTOFYNI

10 varsham munnadi priyadarshan pannada caapi ya yuvan panran ?

Babu

Durga said...

Hi Suresh,
That was very clever.
But there are more obvious things I've niticed like the video clip for the song 'New York Nagaram' in 'Jillenu oru Kadhal' startes off with the stature of Liberty and teh New york skyline for the first 15secs or so and then the whoel entire song after that point is shot completely in Switzerland...with every obvious landmarks and even the swiss regional flags in one clip.
Wasn't Surya supposed to be in New York on business missiong his wife in the movie?
It makes me sick how these film makers take us Tamils for fools.
That's why I make my own crappy videos with Tamil songs - much more fun to laugh at myself. lol

Suresh said...

Durga,

Nah, that's called cinematic liberties. A hero has the freedom to get into hallucinatory journey and simulate his favourte locations with favourite people (or otherwise). He's just trying feel New York in Switzerland. As somone who pays to see this you should go a step further and fill in the gaps. :p

The Individualist said...

lol @ trying to feel New York in Switzerland -
Whatever that was supposed to mean.. :p

Suresh said...

Dei, namma molaga bajji, masal dosai'nu saaptu "this restaurant is like Madras. It feels like home"nu solradhilla? appo'lam "if you want to feel at home, go home"nu solluvoma?:p

adhu maari dhan idhuvum, even though he can feel NY in NY he wants to go to Switz and eat in KFC or MAC or whatever feels like NY, there.:p

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